From filmmaker and World of Wonder co-founder, Fenton Bailey…
“Recently I read two long Playboy interviews with Trump. One from 1990 and one from 2004. Excerpts below. They reveal, I think, how cunning, vengeful, paranoid and potentially mad he is. Most chilling is his yearning for apocalyptic annihilation. Although what follows are just extracts and so out of context to a degree, I don’t feel that what they imply and reveal is misleading.”
1990 PLAYBOY INTERVIEW EXCERPT:
With so much poverty on the city streets, isn’t it embarrassing for you to flaunt your wealth?
“A display is a good thing. It shows people that you can be successful. It can show you a way of life. Dynasty did it on TV. It’s very important that people aspire to be successful. The only way you can do it is if you look at somebody who is.… I believe I’ve added show business to the real-estate business, and that’s been a positive for my properties and in my life.
Then what does all this–the yacht, the bronze tower, the casinos–really mean to you?
Props for the show.And what is the show?
The show is “Trump” and it is sold-out performances everywhere. I’ve had fun doing it and will continue to have fun, and I think most people enjoy it.Your older brother, Fred, who died from heart failure brought on by acute alcoholism, had a more difficult time with him, didn’t he?
…Our family environment, the competitiveness, was a negative for Fred. It wasn’t easy for him being cast in a very tough environment, and I think it played havoc on him.
…I was very close to him and it was very sad when he died … toughest situation I’ve had…What did you learn from his experience?
[Pauses] Nobody has ever asked me that. But his death affected everything that has come after it…. I think constantly that I never really gave him thanks for it. He was the first Trump boy out there, and I subconsciously watched his moves.And the lesson?
I saw people really taking advantage of Fred and the lesson I learned was always to keep up my guard one hundred percent, whereas he didn’t. He didn’t feel that there was really reason for that, which is a fatal mistake in life. People are too trusting. I’m a very untrusting guy. I study people all the time, automatically; it’s my way of life, for better or worse.Why?
I am very skeptical about people; that’s self-preservation at work. I believe that, unfortunately, people are out for themselves.…Everything in life to me is a psychological game, a series of challenges you either meet or don’t. I am always testing people who work for me.
… I owe him a lot…. He could have ultimately been a happy guy, but things just went the unhappy way.
How large a role does pure ego play in your deal making and enjoyment of publicity?
Every successful person has a very large ego.Every successful person? Mother Teresa? Jesus Christ?
Far greater egos than you will ever understand.And the Pope?
Absolutely. Nothing wrong with ego. People need ego, whole nations need ego. I think our country needs more ego, because it is being ripped off so badly by our so-called allies; i.e., Japan, West Germany, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, etc. They have literally outegotized this country.…We Americans are laughed at around the world for losing a hundred and fifty billion dollars year after year, for defending wealthy nations for nothing, nations that would be wiped off the face of the earth in about fifteen minutes if it weren’t for us. Our “allies” are making billions screwing us.
…When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak.
A favorite word of yours, tough. How do you define it?
Tough is being mentally capable of winning battles against an opponent and doing it with a smile. Tough is winning systematically.Sometimes you sound like a Presidential candidate stirring up the voters.
I don’t want the Presidency.Do you think George Bush is soft?
…I disagree with him when he talks of a kinder, gentler America. I think if this country gets any kinder or gentler, it’s literally going to cease to exist.What would President Trump’s position on crime be?
…I see the values of this country in the way crime is tolerated, where people are virtually afraid to say ‘“I want the death penalty.’ Well, I want it.What would be some of President Trump’s longer-term views of the future?
…I often think of nuclear war.Nuclear war?
I’ve always thought about the issue of nuclear war; it’s a very important element in my thought process. It’s the ultimate, the ultimate catastrophe, the biggest problem this world has, and nobody’s focusing on the nuts and bolts of it. It’s a little like sickness. People don’t believe they’re going to get sick until they do. Nobody wants to talk about it. I believe the greatest of all stupidities is people’s believing it will never happen, because everybody knows how destructive it will be, so nobody uses weapons. What bullshit.You categorically don’t want to be President?
I don’t want to be President. I’m one hundred percent sure. I’d change my mind only if I saw this country continue to go down the tubes.Are you ever satisfied with what you’ve accomplished?
I’m too superstitious to be satisfied… I’m never self-satisfied. Life is what you do while you’re waiting to die. You know, it is all a rather sad situation.…Some of my friends are unbelievably successful and miserable people. I truly believe that someone successful is never really happy, because dissatisfaction is what drives him. I’ve never met a successful person who wasn’t neurotic. It’s not a terrible thing … it’s controlled neuroses.
What do you mean?
Controlled neuroses means having a tremendous energy level, an abundance of discontent that often isn’t visible. It’s also not oversleeping. I don’t sleep more than four hours a night.”
2004 PLAYBOY INTERVIEW EXCERPT:
Why does everything come back to self-promotion for you? What’s the value in constantly telling people how great you are?
Because if you don’t, probably nobody else will.Do you think Trump Tower and your other buildings will bear your name a hundred years from now?
No, I don’t think so.Why?
I don’t think any building will be here—and unless we have some very smart people ruling it, the world will not be the same place in a hundred years. The weapons are too powerful, too strong. Access to the weapons is getting too easy, so I think the landscape we’re looking at will not be the same unless we get smart people in office quickly.That’s frightening.
You don’t agree?It’s just surprising coming from you. Your whole world is bricks and mortar.
…The world is rocky, and some terrible things are going to happen. That’s why I lead the life I do. I enjoy it. I know life is fragile, and if the world looks like this a hundred years from now, we’ll either be very lucky or have found unbelievably good leaders somewhere down the line.“
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